Say whatever you will about Obama, McCain, Palin, W, Pelosi, or Vasya, I just hate the US media and no one with a double-digit IQ can argue that their "slant" played a huge part in this election.
I'd have to say that judging a political party's voters on only 12 Q's is pretty limited
but in relation to the media, yeah there generally slanted views on politicians, and some stories are more widespread than others, but usually one (hopefully) votes based on policy and not on high-schoolish mud slinging and mistakes. (although those mistakes cn be fun to chuckle about, or at least cause a facepalm)
Also it would have been nice if he has some sort of control variable-voter
The media is a giant echo chamber, and they can only hear the reverberations from their own shouting and flailing. Flail more, media puppets! Robert Iger and Rupert Murdoch don't think you're dancing enough!
The media is a giant echo chamber, and they can only hear the reverberations from their own shouting and flailing. Flail more, media puppets! Robert Iger and Rupert Murdoch don't think you're dancing enough!
Hehe, I hate the media and that was the first thing I thought when I saw this. The second thing I thought was "Hey this will be fun on the Amr forums, they get riled up easier than a 2yr old on caffeine!"
I'm not really riled up. I just don't really understand at all what the point of the post was. Was it just like "look at the retarded site"?
as he said>> This adds fuel to my fire that hates the media, and it would also be something that could spark conversation with my pals on ama...
more or less?
It didn't seem like the site had anything to do with "media" though. It was just some cookie cutter site. Was it actually a representative of the media or something?
Ok, at the risk of not actually being inducted into the guild, I will say this.
I am a Republican.
I'm not insane and judgemental, I just come from a household with conservative values, and the republican value set applies (at least up until Reagan).
That said, I've actually STOPPED watching the news during the political season. I did this because regardless of what channel you watch, paper you read, or radio station you listen to, the people are only human, and allow their personal views to influence the "news". I prefer straight FACTS rather than influential and combative partisian politics, but until we get past the "I'm right because he's wrong" style of campaigning, our country will be forever damaged and fractured.
I fully realize that the "Media" misinformed voters about many things, blew things out of proportion, glossed over certain people's down sides, and downright LIED all through the presidential campaign. But I have faith that the greater majority of Americans are neither slavishly loyal based on race, religion, or sex, nor horribly misinformed and ignorant and thus fell victim to this garbage.
There will always be a segment of the populace who acts this irrationally, just as there will always be a segment of the populace who is equally irrational, but hides behind "being educated and knowing the facts." My hope is that more people are reasonable and thoughtful individuals than are not.
I'm registered as an independent. I've been an artist (of many kinds) my whole life so you'd think I'd be a democrat given my perpensity for progressive ideas, but it seems to me that the dems often have fruity ideas that just don't make sense while the conservatives are the ones pushing the more logical strategies.
In the end I think politics are one of the most devisive institutions in the world and don't pay them a lot of attention.
I'm neither Republican nor am I registered as independent, but I think we can all agree the media is just insane. When forced to compete with entertainment and being run by large money grubbing corporations, there's no way they'll be an unbiased source of information.
From Rumor's post and Geoff's, I think what's being discussed here are the big TV networks, which neither Tim nor I watch. I generally just get my news out of news websites, who still do engage in trying to out-sensation each other, but on a much smaller scale, especially considering that a lot of them have the same source for their news.
I know the obvious polemicists and talking heads that are broadcast on FOX, MSNBC, or other such channels, I just never really thought of them as being part of the news media. I agree that those people are basically crazy for ratings and must fill the 24 hour "news" programming somehow, and thus what the way they report most closely represents a circus act. And I agree that it's frustrating when the general population starts taking what those talking heads say as truth or fact, because it's too often far from it.
I saw a homeless man on the subway here in NYC the other day with a sign that read "Obama isn't the only one looking for Change". He earned my 50 cents with that.
Just FYI, its not just the TV media I'm talking about. Print, radio, and online media are all equally terrible, and basically fail as fact finding outlets. TBH, the Weekly World News and National Enquirer are more reliable news sources than any major media outlet I've seen in the last ten years or so.
That being said, I hate talking politics, so I'm out of this thread :)
Acknowledging that you are out of this thread, Rumor, I will disagree with the blanket statement of all types of media being equally terrible. There are inherent differences in the different types of media that make some better and some worse sources of information. I think it's fair to say that there is no single perfect source of information out there, but to say that there's simply no way to find facts in any way through any sort of medium that is available to us seems to be a great overgeneralization.
If they're all terrible sources of finding out actual facts, where else could we glean them from?
Just FYI, its not just the TV media I'm talking about. Print, radio, and online media are all equally terrible, and basically fail as fact finding outlets. TBH, the Weekly World News and National Enquirer are more reliable news sources than any major media outlet I've seen in the last ten years or so.
That being said, I hate talking politics, so I'm out of this thread :)
Though I've seen some great news blogs in my day, the thing that bothers me most is that no one seems to emphasize that they are, in essence, editorials. Editorials by definition push the opinion of the editorials (blog owners in this case), and what cheeses me off about blogging as media is that no one really seems to grasp that they are volleying back and forth over people's opinions. I mean, people understand on some level, and will occasionally mention it, but it remains largely in the realm of things that doesn't seem important to discuss.
And even with an actual NEWS story, even if everything included is a fact (defined here as provable right or wrong, not as necessarily correct), it can still be so easily misrepresented by the inclusion and emphasis of certain facts, and the exclusion of others. Many people I know who know this, and know it well, still seem to miss it when digesting information.
Oh, and the Weekly World News went under some years ago. There will be no more Bat Boy for us.
Vasya
Thu, 12/04/2008 - 12:23amWhy am I reading this and what does this have to do with US media.
15
Thu, 12/04/2008 - 3:15amMy parents sent that to me. Why are you posting it. Are you my parents?
I don't understand if you are in favor of that website or claiming it's part of American media and lololing at it.
Furiouso
Thu, 12/04/2008 - 3:29amDebunked weeks ago!
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/verdict-zogby-poll-suppsedly-demonst
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/interview-with-john-ziegler-on-zogby.html
Anthracks
Thu, 12/04/2008 - 4:03amSay whatever you will about Obama, McCain, Palin, W, Pelosi, or Vasya, I just hate the US media and no one with a double-digit IQ can argue that their "slant" played a huge part in this election.
Vasya
Thu, 12/04/2008 - 7:30amWhose slant? What media?
Trumby
Thu, 12/04/2008 - 8:08amThis is just silly.
Qyn
Thu, 12/04/2008 - 8:32am^
Crazy Rambles
Thu, 12/04/2008 - 12:02pmI'd have to say that judging a political party's voters on only 12 Q's is pretty limited
but in relation to the media, yeah there generally slanted views on politicians, and some stories are more widespread than others, but usually one (hopefully) votes based on policy and not on high-schoolish mud slinging and mistakes. (although those mistakes cn be fun to chuckle about, or at least cause a facepalm)
Also it would have been nice if he has some sort of control variable-voter
Narrative
Thu, 12/04/2008 - 7:27pmThe media is a giant echo chamber, and they can only hear the reverberations from their own shouting and flailing. Flail more, media puppets! Robert Iger and Rupert Murdoch don't think you're dancing enough!
Crazy Rambles
Thu, 12/04/2008 - 8:16pmhahahaha ^.^
Anthracks
Fri, 12/05/2008 - 12:32amHehe, I hate the media and that was the first thing I thought when I saw this. The second thing I thought was "Hey this will be fun on the Amr forums, they get riled up easier than a 2yr old on caffeine!"
Vasya
Fri, 12/05/2008 - 12:38amI'm not really riled up. I just don't really understand at all what the point of the post was. Was it just like "look at the retarded site"?
Qyn
Fri, 12/05/2008 - 7:38am>_>
Crazy Rambles
Fri, 12/05/2008 - 8:44amas he said>> This adds fuel to my fire that hates the media, and it would also be something that could spark conversation with my pals on ama...
more or less?
Qyn
Fri, 12/05/2008 - 9:25amYea I'm not really sure what's confusing here.
Vasya
Fri, 12/05/2008 - 6:14pmIt didn't seem like the site had anything to do with "media" though. It was just some cookie cutter site. Was it actually a representative of the media or something?
Rumor
Fri, 12/05/2008 - 6:38pmOk, at the risk of not actually being inducted into the guild, I will say this.
I am a Republican.
I'm not insane and judgemental, I just come from a household with conservative values, and the republican value set applies (at least up until Reagan).
That said, I've actually STOPPED watching the news during the political season. I did this because regardless of what channel you watch, paper you read, or radio station you listen to, the people are only human, and allow their personal views to influence the "news". I prefer straight FACTS rather than influential and combative partisian politics, but until we get past the "I'm right because he's wrong" style of campaigning, our country will be forever damaged and fractured.
I fully realize that the "Media" misinformed voters about many things, blew things out of proportion, glossed over certain people's down sides, and downright LIED all through the presidential campaign. But I have faith that the greater majority of Americans are neither slavishly loyal based on race, religion, or sex, nor horribly misinformed and ignorant and thus fell victim to this garbage.
There will always be a segment of the populace who acts this irrationally, just as there will always be a segment of the populace who is equally irrational, but hides behind "being educated and knowing the facts." My hope is that more people are reasonable and thoughtful individuals than are not.
Anthracks
Fri, 12/05/2008 - 6:53pmAmen to that brother.
I'm registered as an independent. I've been an artist (of many kinds) my whole life so you'd think I'd be a democrat given my perpensity for progressive ideas, but it seems to me that the dems often have fruity ideas that just don't make sense while the conservatives are the ones pushing the more logical strategies.
In the end I think politics are one of the most devisive institutions in the world and don't pay them a lot of attention.
Furiouso
Fri, 12/05/2008 - 7:03pmI'm neither Republican nor am I registered as independent, but I think we can all agree the media is just insane. When forced to compete with entertainment and being run by large money grubbing corporations, there's no way they'll be an unbiased source of information.
Anthracks
Fri, 12/05/2008 - 8:52pmtruth
Timmeh
Fri, 12/05/2008 - 10:39pmStill though, which media?
Vasya
Sat, 12/06/2008 - 8:28amFrom Rumor's post and Geoff's, I think what's being discussed here are the big TV networks, which neither Tim nor I watch. I generally just get my news out of news websites, who still do engage in trying to out-sensation each other, but on a much smaller scale, especially considering that a lot of them have the same source for their news.
I know the obvious polemicists and talking heads that are broadcast on FOX, MSNBC, or other such channels, I just never really thought of them as being part of the news media. I agree that those people are basically crazy for ratings and must fill the 24 hour "news" programming somehow, and thus what the way they report most closely represents a circus act. And I agree that it's frustrating when the general population starts taking what those talking heads say as truth or fact, because it's too often far from it.
N8
Sat, 12/06/2008 - 9:13amI saw a homeless man on the subway here in NYC the other day with a sign that read "Obama isn't the only one looking for Change". He earned my 50 cents with that.
Killface
Sat, 12/06/2008 - 9:41amBut I didn't post in this thread.
/until now.
Rumor
Sat, 12/06/2008 - 9:47amJust FYI, its not just the TV media I'm talking about. Print, radio, and online media are all equally terrible, and basically fail as fact finding outlets. TBH, the Weekly World News and National Enquirer are more reliable news sources than any major media outlet I've seen in the last ten years or so.
That being said, I hate talking politics, so I'm out of this thread :)
Vasya
Sat, 12/06/2008 - 10:00amOh, sorry Geoff, I confused you and George :).
Vasya
Sat, 12/06/2008 - 10:43amAcknowledging that you are out of this thread, Rumor, I will disagree with the blanket statement of all types of media being equally terrible. There are inherent differences in the different types of media that make some better and some worse sources of information. I think it's fair to say that there is no single perfect source of information out there, but to say that there's simply no way to find facts in any way through any sort of medium that is available to us seems to be a great overgeneralization.
If they're all terrible sources of finding out actual facts, where else could we glean them from?
Narrative
Sun, 12/07/2008 - 6:19amThough I've seen some great news blogs in my day, the thing that bothers me most is that no one seems to emphasize that they are, in essence, editorials. Editorials by definition push the opinion of the editorials (blog owners in this case), and what cheeses me off about blogging as media is that no one really seems to grasp that they are volleying back and forth over people's opinions. I mean, people understand on some level, and will occasionally mention it, but it remains largely in the realm of things that doesn't seem important to discuss.
And even with an actual NEWS story, even if everything included is a fact (defined here as provable right or wrong, not as necessarily correct), it can still be so easily misrepresented by the inclusion and emphasis of certain facts, and the exclusion of others. Many people I know who know this, and know it well, still seem to miss it when digesting information.
Oh, and the Weekly World News went under some years ago. There will be no more Bat Boy for us.
Qyn
Sun, 12/07/2008 - 6:39pmHey Vasya tryna mouse over. XD