Matthew had a lot of fun with the demo, and I have a bunch of friends playing it. Unfortunately some of our friends went 360, and others went PC, so Matthew has been indecisive about which system to get it on, since it's one of those games that are apparently the most fun playing with other people.
I probably spent about 20 hours playing this over the weekend (I was at PDXLAN) and I must say..holy hell this game is awesome. It's got three modes you can play in, single player, campaign (co-op), and versus. Single player is obviously what you think it is, co-op you play through the campaigns with up to 3 other people (who are bots in the single player), and versus is where this game is just amazing. There's only two campaigns for versus right now but they are two of the normal maps tweaked a bit for the human element. You play as the 4 survivors versus 4 people playing as the "special" zombies. If a survivor dies they are dead until their next round as survivors. If a zombie dies they respawn since they are a lot easier to kill, but have all the normal zombie hordes to help them out. Both teams play as both sides on each step of the campaign (each campaign has 5 steps) and whichever team has the most points at the end wins.
Oh cool!
Hmmm, So, Beth, the multiplayer is divided into ppl on the PC and on the 360? If so I'm really disappointed, that seems to be such an easy problem to resolve (they had a frigg'n MMO where cross-platform gaming happened).
But anyway--hopefully ppl will go PC over 360 ;)
GG microsoft being newbs
Thus the reason Sony will forever be twap dawg and Nintendo as the Mad scientist (who's not really THAT mad, but a little...out there)
L4D is amazing and sex and everyone should get it, based on the demo. The basic idea is it's everything zombie you could ever hope for thrown into one. It has a miniscule learning curve (assuming you know how to play any FPS at all), so it's just you versus a billion zombies, everywhere all the time.
Totally awesome.
Also, PC vs 360 FPSing wouldn't be fair at all to the dual joystickers :x And I'm not sure how the 360's patching capabilities are, since apparently TF2 still has the same bugs it shipped with.
Everyone should get it for PC if for no other reason than because of the mods/maps that are going to come out for it. Someone is working on a Dawn of the Dead (the 2004 version) mall map right now..should be interesting.
Also the demo only allows you to play as survivors so as soon as you get it and you do versus you'll see a whole new awesome that comes with being able to kick ass as zombies.
I enjoy RE4, Deadspace, SW: Force Unleashed, Bioshock, etc. I don't however have an Xbox live Gold account...
Is Left4Dead a decent single player or two player game? I mean, does it have a decent single player campaign and is it something I could enjoy playing Coop with the wife?
Any info would help, I'm a big zombie game fan, but am hesitant to pick this one up.
I haven't played the single player but since there's only 4 campaigns it can't be all that interesting for very long. Where this game shines is the multiplayer, whether it be coop or versus.
Also I say get this for PC, otherwise I doubt you'll be seeing any new fan made content on the 360.
So a new patch was released today that fixed everything in versus that wasn't already perfect (and created one or two bugs/exploits in the process, but eh).
Purchasing!!!!
(I'll limit my game purchasing this semester to just this game, and if I need money I'll get over my dislike of needles and donate plasma!-30$ per visit I think)
well the campus has a T1 connection (but is supposed to limit usage from each person...guess Steam can get around that limit somehow- already 31% on something that had an initial est. time of 21hrs)
confused about the qualitative explanation? well maybe if one converted the speed into a simile of latency?
(sadly most of the time it still takes a looong time to buffer vids on our connection)
I bet you guys could just AIM or gchat each other.
It's just so inconvenient that you're forced to read every new post.
Brambles: When you open steam, the name of the window should be something like "STEAM - timaster735".
That's the steam id!
Or you can friend me, since that's mine.
I bet you guys could just AIM or gchat each other.
It's just so inconvenient that you're forced to read every new post.
No, just that when I check recent posts it pops up with 10 new replies and I have to open the thread to realize it's just more crap that isn't worth reading.
I kinda see why john and mike never check the forums any more.
I think you're mixing up causation and correlation.
Regardless of why the silent majority of the guild doesn't contribute to the forums, pointing the finger at the still-active members and trying to silence them doesn't get you anything but even more silent forums. Want to see more of what you like? Post shit that you like. Unless, of course, the things you like is posts about how people don't like other people posting.
I bet you guys could just AIM or gchat each other.
It's just so inconvenient that you're forced to read every new post.
No, just that when I check recent posts it pops up with 10 new replies and I have to open the thread to realize it's just more crap that isn't worth reading.
I kinda see why john and mike never check the forums any more.
I'm pretty sure their not checking the forums has more to do with not really caring about the forums than endless chain posts between Tim and Bram.
Vats is ok....mainly for when things get too frantic
But once gets better with FPs the more one does em--
just remember: be aware (one with) your environment, keep moving, and make sure the enemy is dead, also try to contain one's jumpy-ness in startling instances (this helps a ton!)
Then eventually you become a killing machine ripping off heads without even trying to aim! :)
Qyn uses VATS too? blasphemy! (unless only in emergencies)
EDIT: ok...it's nice when speccing into it and one needs to quickly deal with enemies through disabling them or blasting their heads off--I just feel it kinda takes away some of the fun of the game :s
Yea I put perks into extra accuracy and crit when using VATS. Why not use something when it's so much fun? I also did stuff the old fashioned way, especially when sniping (because sniping without using VATS was extra satisfying).
I used VATS whenever I wanted to conserve on ammo (aiming with dual joysticks = .004% accuracy), but it seems like shooting without VATS does a lot more damage? I dunno if it just seems that way because the firing rate is faster or something, but I definitely could do a lot more damage in a shorter time without VATS.
don't be hating the dual-joysticks! they're just as good--if not better--than the mouse for headshots!
(Siberia on hard, pop around a corner and pop each guard in the back of the head with a silenced pistol!)
By knowing the exact height of enemies and keeping the steady dual-analogue controllers at head height
and adjustments for terrain discrepancies is easy too.
Although the insta-turn of the mouse is probably the main advantage (although unrealistic...but then again "realism" in games is very conditional)
You can't keep it quite as steady while moving around though, yeah the mouse is faster but the analogue is more reliable for headshots imo since it feels like it flows better with the ground, and can adjust for a person who is running, (and of course doesn't make you jump when your mouse-one button hits the corner of the keyboard)
I agree that tracking a target moving in a straight line is slightly easier with joysticks. But about the dual joystick headshot thing: I know I've tried that on some game or another, but I couldn't get it to work, because you still have to adjust for how far away the person is from you, don't you? Unless there are a bunch of targets moving in straight lines at the same distances from you, it's difficult to exploit the steadiness of the analog sticks for that.
PS If you're hitting your keyboard with your mouse you should consider upping your mouse sensitivity. I play at 13 on Valve games, and I think Crysis too, and I don't ever end up hitting things or having to pick up my mouse.
I think it's b/c my comp is semi-wide screened, and that I'm kinda crampped here for space >.<
(it just seems to happen when I loot stuff like the metal boxes, and then "BAM!" and I jump out of my skin >.<
So the DLC for L4D had the survival game mode, and I thought i heard tell of 2 new maps as well? Where are they to be found, or is this DLC something one needs to buy?
Not two new maps. One new map, lighthouse, which is a survival mode only map. Some of the maps from the current campaigns changed to survival mode maps.
The two "new" maps were death toll and dead air finally converted to be VS maps.
On the PC it will be auto updated with all that stuff included.
Ah, all right, thanks for the info! I'll have to go about enjoying those new modes (and map) in the following weeks. This one though, *sigh* bloody exams...
For my B-day my friend had some beetle-arm-claws made for me! (it was during the Sophomore years of "Gladiator combat"...basically us reinventing LaRPing w/o all the rules...and magic)
Bela
Mon, 11/24/2008 - 6:40amYeah my son just got it and he says its pretty awesome game!!!! I will ask him more and post more on it later :)
Beth
Mon, 11/24/2008 - 8:18amMatthew had a lot of fun with the demo, and I have a bunch of friends playing it. Unfortunately some of our friends went 360, and others went PC, so Matthew has been indecisive about which system to get it on, since it's one of those games that are apparently the most fun playing with other people.
Trumby
Mon, 11/24/2008 - 8:40amI probably spent about 20 hours playing this over the weekend (I was at PDXLAN) and I must say..holy hell this game is awesome. It's got three modes you can play in, single player, campaign (co-op), and versus. Single player is obviously what you think it is, co-op you play through the campaigns with up to 3 other people (who are bots in the single player), and versus is where this game is just amazing. There's only two campaigns for versus right now but they are two of the normal maps tweaked a bit for the human element. You play as the 4 survivors versus 4 people playing as the "special" zombies. If a survivor dies they are dead until their next round as survivors. If a zombie dies they respawn since they are a lot easier to kill, but have all the normal zombie hordes to help them out. Both teams play as both sides on each step of the campaign (each campaign has 5 steps) and whichever team has the most points at the end wins.
Crazy Rambles
Mon, 11/24/2008 - 10:03amOh cool!
Hmmm, So, Beth, the multiplayer is divided into ppl on the PC and on the 360? If so I'm really disappointed, that seems to be such an easy problem to resolve (they had a frigg'n MMO where cross-platform gaming happened).
But anyway--hopefully ppl will go PC over 360 ;)
Beth
Mon, 11/24/2008 - 1:59pmFrom what I understand, that is unfortunately the case.
Crazy Rambles
Mon, 11/24/2008 - 3:08pmGG microsoft being newbs
Thus the reason Sony will forever be twap dawg and Nintendo as the Mad scientist (who's not really THAT mad, but a little...out there)
Timmeh
Mon, 11/24/2008 - 5:23pmL4D is amazing and sex and everyone should get it, based on the demo. The basic idea is it's everything zombie you could ever hope for thrown into one. It has a miniscule learning curve (assuming you know how to play any FPS at all), so it's just you versus a billion zombies, everywhere all the time.
Totally awesome.
Also, PC vs 360 FPSing wouldn't be fair at all to the dual joystickers :x And I'm not sure how the 360's patching capabilities are, since apparently TF2 still has the same bugs it shipped with.
Trumby
Mon, 11/24/2008 - 7:43pmEveryone should get it for PC if for no other reason than because of the mods/maps that are going to come out for it. Someone is working on a Dawn of the Dead (the 2004 version) mall map right now..should be interesting.
Also the demo only allows you to play as survivors so as soon as you get it and you do versus you'll see a whole new awesome that comes with being able to kick ass as zombies.
Rumor
Sat, 11/29/2008 - 2:05amQuestion.
I enjoy RE4, Deadspace, SW: Force Unleashed, Bioshock, etc. I don't however have an Xbox live Gold account...
Is Left4Dead a decent single player or two player game? I mean, does it have a decent single player campaign and is it something I could enjoy playing Coop with the wife?
Any info would help, I'm a big zombie game fan, but am hesitant to pick this one up.
Timmeh
Sun, 11/30/2008 - 1:42pmOMG I JUST BOUGHT ITTTTTTTTTTTT
I'll answer your question tonight, Rumor.
Trumby
Sun, 11/30/2008 - 7:29pmI haven't played the single player but since there's only 4 campaigns it can't be all that interesting for very long. Where this game shines is the multiplayer, whether it be coop or versus.
Also I say get this for PC, otherwise I doubt you'll be seeing any new fan made content on the 360.
Timmeh
Sun, 11/30/2008 - 9:12pmJesus god the versus is fantastic. I got to be Tank my second spawn :P 7k damage to their team <_<
Crazy Rambles
Sun, 11/30/2008 - 9:22pmIt looks like something I'll have to get on and play in 2 weeks
-that means you have 2 weeks to prepare for your slaughter ;)
Timmeh
Wed, 01/14/2009 - 9:28pmSo a new patch was released today that fixed everything in versus that wasn't already perfect (and created one or two bugs/exploits in the process, but eh).
Descartes
Thu, 01/22/2009 - 5:30pmhttp://feeds.gawker.com/~r/kotaku/full/~3/MmheCzEEfiU/left-4-dead-++-now-for-kids
Des
I think therefore I am....I think....
Qyn
Fri, 01/23/2009 - 7:15amSlingshot time!
Timmeh
Fri, 02/13/2009 - 12:11pmhttp://store.steampowered.com/app/500/
WEEKEND DEAL!
AAAHMG! 50% OFF! BUY NOW!
Also: http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll216/thehelper007/facepunch/1234315228666.jpg
yori
Fri, 02/13/2009 - 1:58pmi want to play this game ; ;
Crazy Rambles
Fri, 02/13/2009 - 2:33pmPurchasing!!!!
(I'll limit my game purchasing this semester to just this game, and if I need money I'll get over my dislike of needles and donate plasma!-30$ per visit I think)
Timmeh
Fri, 02/13/2009 - 2:35pmOh em eff gee steam id now plz.
Crazy Rambles
Fri, 02/13/2009 - 2:36pmoops- in my haste I forgot: Thanks Timmeh for the info!
Timmeh
Fri, 02/13/2009 - 2:41pmYou're welcome! :-D
PS You forgot your steam id in your haste too.
Crazy Rambles
Fri, 02/13/2009 - 2:45pmD:
oh- Is 720~920 kb/s fast? (anyway to explain the speed in a qualitative way?)
Timmeh
Fri, 02/13/2009 - 2:49pm>_>
Yeah that's pretty fast... I'm confused though.
Crazy Rambles
Fri, 02/13/2009 - 2:53pmwell the campus has a T1 connection (but is supposed to limit usage from each person...guess Steam can get around that limit somehow- already 31% on something that had an initial est. time of 21hrs)
Crazy Rambles
Fri, 02/13/2009 - 2:54pmconfused about the qualitative explanation? well maybe if one converted the speed into a simile of latency?
(sadly most of the time it still takes a looong time to buffer vids on our connection)
Crazy Rambles
Fri, 02/13/2009 - 2:58pmSteam Id so you can hack my account? but I thought you already had the game? @.@
Timmeh
Fri, 02/13/2009 - 3:12pmI was going to add you as a friend, actually.
Crazy Rambles
Fri, 02/13/2009 - 4:04pmah ok--so it's like the Wii status stuff? I guess i'll probably do soem clicking then b/c I can't find the ID ^^;
15
Fri, 02/13/2009 - 6:35pmI bet you guys could just AIM or gchat each other.
Trumby
Fri, 02/13/2009 - 6:58pmPfft, you know that's what forums are for, Josh!
Also qq, already bought this months ago. But if anyone buys it, my steamid is trumby obviously.
Timmeh
Fri, 02/13/2009 - 7:27pmBrambles: When you open steam, the name of the window should be something like "STEAM - timaster735".
That's the steam id!
Or you can friend me, since that's mine.
Crazy Rambles
Fri, 02/13/2009 - 8:52pmok--mine's BramblesEverroot
Qyn
Fri, 02/13/2009 - 11:08pmYes.
Yes they could!
Crazy Rambles
Sat, 02/14/2009 - 8:59amWell or use cellphones? or is there some sort of mic system?
(also added trumby to F-list, ne1 else play?)
15
Sat, 02/14/2009 - 12:24pmNo, just that when I check recent posts it pops up with 10 new replies and I have to open the thread to realize it's just more crap that isn't worth reading.
I kinda see why john and mike never check the forums any more.
Timmeh
Sat, 02/14/2009 - 12:35pmWell if it's any comfort, he wasn't on AIM, I don't use gchat, and facebook chat disconnects too often. But now we have steam chat!
Vasya
Sat, 02/14/2009 - 9:10pmBecause they don't have any interest of socializing with the guild? Because they don't contribute anything to the forums?
Lycannon
Sat, 02/14/2009 - 11:03pmLongest derailed post ever.
Bikini Zombie Slayers.
15
Sun, 02/15/2009 - 1:26amI think you're mixing up causation and correlation.
Crazy Rambles
Sun, 02/15/2009 - 9:20amBikini Zombie slayers should probably wear body armor so they themselves don't get bitten. D:
Vasya
Sun, 02/15/2009 - 10:00amRegardless of why the silent majority of the guild doesn't contribute to the forums, pointing the finger at the still-active members and trying to silence them doesn't get you anything but even more silent forums. Want to see more of what you like? Post shit that you like. Unless, of course, the things you like is posts about how people don't like other people posting.
Qyn
Sun, 02/15/2009 - 11:51amI'm pretty sure their not checking the forums has more to do with not really caring about the forums than endless chain posts between Tim and Bram.
Beth
Sun, 02/15/2009 - 1:16pmI like endless chain posts between Tim and Bram.
Matthew just bought Left4Dead on that deal too. I wish I didn't suck at those kinds of games so bad.
yori
Sun, 02/15/2009 - 5:48pmme too..the only way i survived fallout was because of vats
Crazy Rambles
Sun, 02/15/2009 - 7:38pmVats is ok....mainly for when things get too frantic
But once gets better with FPs the more one does em--
just remember: be aware (one with) your environment, keep moving, and make sure the enemy is dead, also try to contain one's jumpy-ness in startling instances (this helps a ton!)
Then eventually you become a killing machine ripping off heads without even trying to aim! :)
Qyn
Mon, 02/16/2009 - 7:09am<3 VATS.
Someone needs to come up with some witty VATS tshirts or something.
Crazy Rambles
Mon, 02/16/2009 - 8:57amQyn uses VATS too? blasphemy! (unless only in emergencies)
EDIT: ok...it's nice when speccing into it and one needs to quickly deal with enemies through disabling them or blasting their heads off--I just feel it kinda takes away some of the fun of the game :s
Crazy Rambles
Mon, 02/16/2009 - 8:58amAlso: best thing about L4D--ONE CAN ACTUALLY LOOK DOWN AND SEE THEIR LEGS!!!! ^.^
Qyn
Mon, 02/16/2009 - 9:16amYea I put perks into extra accuracy and crit when using VATS. Why not use something when it's so much fun? I also did stuff the old fashioned way, especially when sniping (because sniping without using VATS was extra satisfying).
Timmeh
Mon, 02/16/2009 - 10:47amI used VATS whenever I wanted to conserve on ammo (aiming with dual joysticks = .004% accuracy), but it seems like shooting without VATS does a lot more damage? I dunno if it just seems that way because the firing rate is faster or something, but I definitely could do a lot more damage in a shorter time without VATS.
PS Past tense cause I don't own the game. D:.
Fazil
Mon, 02/16/2009 - 2:19pmI find the opposite is true, Timmeh. Besides, the splatter is fun.
Timmeh
Mon, 02/16/2009 - 2:41pmWacky!
Maybe it's because I shoot at different body parts with VATS and normally.
Crazy Rambles
Mon, 02/16/2009 - 5:09pmdon't be hating the dual-joysticks! they're just as good--if not better--than the mouse for headshots!
(Siberia on hard, pop around a corner and pop each guard in the back of the head with a silenced pistol!)
Vasya
Mon, 02/16/2009 - 6:09pmI can't even imagine how that could possibly be true.
Crazy Rambles
Mon, 02/16/2009 - 6:36pmBy knowing the exact height of enemies and keeping the steady dual-analogue controllers at head height
and adjustments for terrain discrepancies is easy too.
Although the insta-turn of the mouse is probably the main advantage (although unrealistic...but then again "realism" in games is very conditional)
Vasya
Mon, 02/16/2009 - 11:05pmYou can keep the mouse steady just as easily though. You can just get it to the headshot level faster.
Qyn
Tue, 02/17/2009 - 12:07amWait. Wait.
Wait.
Hold on.
A second.
WHAT.
JOYSTICKS FOR FPS GAMES?!
Crazy Rambles
Tue, 02/17/2009 - 7:33amYou can't keep it quite as steady while moving around though, yeah the mouse is faster but the analogue is more reliable for headshots imo since it feels like it flows better with the ground, and can adjust for a person who is running, (and of course doesn't make you jump when your mouse-one button hits the corner of the keyboard)
Timmeh
Tue, 02/17/2009 - 1:43pmI agree that tracking a target moving in a straight line is slightly easier with joysticks. But about the dual joystick headshot thing: I know I've tried that on some game or another, but I couldn't get it to work, because you still have to adjust for how far away the person is from you, don't you? Unless there are a bunch of targets moving in straight lines at the same distances from you, it's difficult to exploit the steadiness of the analog sticks for that.
PS If you're hitting your keyboard with your mouse you should consider upping your mouse sensitivity. I play at 13 on Valve games, and I think Crysis too, and I don't ever end up hitting things or having to pick up my mouse.
Crazy Rambles
Tue, 02/17/2009 - 2:10pmI think it's b/c my comp is semi-wide screened, and that I'm kinda crampped here for space >.<
(it just seems to happen when I loot stuff like the metal boxes, and then "BAM!" and I jump out of my skin >.<
Trumby
Tue, 02/17/2009 - 7:43pmAnyone who thinks controller is easier to use in fps than mouse + keyboard = crazy. /thread :P
Vasya
Tue, 02/17/2009 - 8:48pmI don't think anyone, including Brambles, would object to Brambles having that particular moniker :).
Crazy Rambles
Tue, 02/17/2009 - 9:40pmEhh, it's not that analogue is better than mouse+keyboard but it does have a nice flow to it compared to the jerkyness of the mouse
Trumby
Wed, 02/18/2009 - 8:15amHaha, vas, that is probably true :P
Also bram: I suppose to each their own..but for me playing an FPS on a controller = horrible :P
Qyn
Wed, 02/18/2009 - 12:04pmYou have earned the title "Crazy".
Crazy Rambles
Wed, 02/18/2009 - 12:17pmok!
Vasya
Wed, 02/18/2009 - 6:03pmHahaha.
Timmeh
Fri, 03/13/2009 - 11:37pmhttp://www.fileplanet.com/197339/190000/fileinfo/Left-4-Dead---Hello-Kitty-Hunter
I lal'd
Crazy Rambles
Sat, 03/14/2009 - 7:35amWTB one that makes the Smokers look like Frank--then again that'd be way too scary and would actually frighten ppl to death
Timmeh
Thu, 04/30/2009 - 12:25pm24 hours free tomorrow! Preload today! :o
Link: http://store.steampowered.com/app/500/
Crazy Rambles
Sun, 05/03/2009 - 11:40amSo the DLC for L4D had the survival game mode, and I thought i heard tell of 2 new maps as well? Where are they to be found, or is this DLC something one needs to buy?
Qyn
Sun, 05/03/2009 - 1:14pmWait, it was free? Damnit, I missed it.
Trumby
Sun, 05/03/2009 - 1:14pmNot two new maps. One new map, lighthouse, which is a survival mode only map. Some of the maps from the current campaigns changed to survival mode maps.
The two "new" maps were death toll and dead air finally converted to be VS maps.
On the PC it will be auto updated with all that stuff included.
Crazy Rambles
Sun, 05/03/2009 - 3:16pmAh, all right, thanks for the info! I'll have to go about enjoying those new modes (and map) in the following weeks. This one though, *sigh* bloody exams...
Timmeh
Sun, 05/03/2009 - 4:16pmIt's still 40% off for a couple of days, Qyn. Plz2buy.
yori
Mon, 05/04/2009 - 3:16pmTimmeh
Tue, 06/02/2009 - 6:38pml4d2!
Crazy Rambles
Tue, 06/02/2009 - 7:25pmI want arm-attached beetle scythe-claws as a melee weapon! (like in my sophomore year in HS)
Qyn
Tue, 06/02/2009 - 7:31pmI'll get 1 after 2 comes out, most likely.
Also, wtf @ Bram, as usual. ^_^
Crazy Rambles
Tue, 06/02/2009 - 11:02pmFor my B-day my friend had some beetle-arm-claws made for me! (it was during the Sophomore years of "Gladiator combat"...basically us reinventing LaRPing w/o all the rules...and magic)